Sunday, May 09, 2010

Very interesting

"Hardly any white children can be found in D.C. public schools...when it comes to the spouses they choose, the schools their kids attend, the neighborhoods they live in and the churches they go to, the white liberal elite pretty much replicates the social patterns of the Ku Klux Klan." -- From "Who’s the Bigot, Mr. Brown?" by Patrick J. Buchanan


Anonymous said...

It is nothing short of ludicrous for Pat Buchanan to compare the Washington elites to the Klan. I will believe it when I see them in white robes and hoods, burning crosses in peoples yards, and forming lynch mobs.

Something which has always struck me as somewhat inconsistent from the other side is this. The Civil Rights movement of course started in the South, where racism has always been the strongest. Yet there are some forms of segregation which the black race has held onto. Two which I can think of right off hand are churches and funeral homes. They are pretty much still segrated, yet there is never any outcry against this. In fact, I do not recall of ever hearing the subject mentioned in any kind of public forum. Ironic?

R. L. Vaughn said...

I don't think Buchanan means to say these elites are the equivalent of Klansmen. But to me the point does seem valid that a lot of these folks who criticize others for being "too segregated" actually live pretty segregated lives themselves.

Your comment about racism being the strongest in the South brings this thought. Clearly the South was open and forthcoming about its segregationist stance. The North, not so much. When our white and black schools here were integrated in the 60s, there were no riots around here (there were some in some places). But I found it interesting years later when they started busing in Boston there was rioting in the streets. We had been doing that peacefully all along (though not without some grumbling about distance of busing).

The comment about churches and funeral homes is interesting. This apparently reveals a preference of choice for the most part by the two groups. White folks can use black funeral homes and black folks can use white funeral homes. But very seldom do either do so. Some have called Sunday morning the most segregated hour in America. That may be so. But again, in most all the cases it seems to be voluntary. I know of know cases where anyone is forced to separate in these instances. What does that say about us? I'm not sure.

Mark said...

I have seen videos of the goings on at many Black churches. I have spoken to a number of Blacks who go to church over the years. From what I have seen and heard I wouldn't want to go to one.None of the Black people I have spoken to have had the vaguest idea what justification by faith is. The fundamentals of the faith are almost unknown.I recall one Black woman I knew telling me the preacher at her Baptist church believed in and taught reincarnation.

The preachers are often demagogues and just as often terribly immoral.It was very common when I looked into the subject. The Black church goers seemed to expect their ministers to have committed adultery or worse.

There may be a strong Bible based Black Baptist church that teaches the Word in a competent manner. There may be one where the people know they are saved by grace through faith. There may be one that bases its beliefs on sound doctrine and not emotional excesses.There may be more than one but I would imagine these days there are very few.

Anonymous said...

Bro. Mark,

I am sure this is indeed quite common of the description you gave. We might also be surprised that some of this goes on in white churches as well. I think of the so-called "feel good" movement that the youth seem to be mesmorized in of recent times. Sadly, I am afraid that many of these have not a clue about any sort of doctrine. In reference to ministers being set up as demagogues, I can think of several instances where some even within SBC and fundamental circles would fit this category.

I believe a large part of the problem with what you mentioned is that these churches base their entire religion on emotion, which only leads to problems. They will take just a few scriptures to form their philosophy. Of course we are all too familiar how feelings come, and feelings go.

Mark said...

Dear Anon,
Yes it seems the White churches, especially the Pentecostals/Charismatics are trying to show the world a new chapter in immorality.

I recall "Bishop" Paulk(White) in Atlanta, whose official doctrinal stance beat any crazy cult I ever heard of, was as immoral as it gets.He swore all up and down the rumors he was the father of his brother's son were lies. DNA tests proved otherwise and he confessed. Turns out that wasn't his only tryst either.

Back in the '80s a friend of mine went to Paulk's "church" and bought tapes of the official teaching. I heard Paulk say with my own ears that if anyone would believe his teaching that person would never physically die.

I also knew of a White Charismatic preacher in North Carolina, where I was living at the time, who was a closet believer in the Book of Mormon. He told someone I knew that he was going to gradually spring this on the congregation. He planned to do this with a pre-planned message in tongues. In other words, he would have someone in the audience speak in tongues and have an aide give the "interpretation". The message was that there was more revelation to come from a source that they were unfamiliar with.

I was tipped off by the one in the know and I just couldn't believe anyone would be this devious.I went the morning this was to happen. Sure enough, the message came forth just as I had been told.

Shortly afterward when it all came out it split the church and it soon folded. The preacher left the state for parts unknown. I don't know what else he may have done but this was certainly immoral.