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Showing posts with label Classification. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Classification. Show all posts

Wednesday, October 26, 2022

Bible Classification issues and problems

I look at Bible Version Beliefs Classification as something that tries to sort out various views about the Bible, at various levels (and keeps narrowing so as to demonstrate both concordance and discordance). If I believe (and I do) that my translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God, then I share in common an idea – in a very broad way – with everyone else who believes their translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God.

Then we consider the next level. Do we both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God? If not, then we are separated at that point. If so, then we consider the next level. Do we both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God in the same way? If not, then we are separated at that point. If so, we ask another question. And so on. So, for example, I agree with Peter Ruckman that the King James Bible is the word of God, but as we narrow the parameters, we demonstrate we do not hold the same view about the King James Bible.

We do this in all sorts of other areas or beliefs. I am a Baptist. Here in the United States, we have some Baptists who are rank heretics. Unfortunately, I am broadly in the same category with them. If we change and look at Bible views, I can be (generally, with perhaps minor differences) in the same category with a Presbyterian like Christian McShaffrey and very far away from the rank heretical Baptists who deny the word of God! However, if we change and are classifying churches according to denominations, Brother McShaffrey and I will end up in different categories. I do not think the principle is overly complex once we understand what we are doing in trying to classify or categorize various views about Bible versions.

I know what I believe. I don’t need a classification to understand that. On the other hand, where I am classed might help someone else get a general idea of what I believe. If they want to know exactly what I believe, they will need to ask.

Sometimes there is an issue of someone is using classification as a tool of debate rather than as a tool of instruction. This can bring about a different take on things (e.g., an association fallacy).

I hope this might demonstrate a bit of how I approach the categorization of Bible views.

Friday, October 21, 2022

KJVO classification at AV1611.com

At the AV1611.com forum in a thread titled “What is King James Bible Only?” the BibleProtector (who is probably Matthew Verschuur) set forth the following spectrum “to broadly classify views of the King James Bible” which he emphasized as “a rough guideline only.” In creating this classification he considers the views on the following eleven elements:

  • History
  • Inspiration
  • Preservation
  • The KJB text
  • The text in English
  • The KJB translation
  • The KJB language/style
  • The perfection of the KJB
  • Other versions
  • Other languages
  • The future of the KJB

I notice this here as part of my ongoing interest in classifying Bible version beliefs, and how others have made such classifications. The BibleProtector’s assessment leads him to the following four categories or classes of King James Only beliefs. Please follow the link “What is King James Bible Only?” to see the details.

  • Class One: King James Bible Favoured/Preferred
  • Class Two: King James Bible Defended (TR Only)
  • Class Three: King James Bible Purist (English Preservationist)
  • Class Four: King James Bible Extremist

In the thread, a guest using the moniker Truth4Today (post # 7) made the following observations:

I can say two main things. 1.) There does exist variation within the King James Only Camp; 2.) There does exist certain parameters that define one as King James Only.

The Variations

  • A. TR is generally accurate, but could use some revision
  • B. TR is absolutely perfect, and needs no revision
  • C. The KJB is generally accurate, but could use some minor revising
  • D. The KJB is absolutely perfect, and needs no revision

The parameters that define KJVO

  • 1. All agree that God’s Authoritative Word exists today.
  • 2. All emphasize the Bible doctrine of preservation
  • 3. All reject the Westscott/Hort textual theory
  • 4. All reject the Westscott/Hort Greek Text
  • 5. All believe that the Modern English Versions are founded on bad and corrupt manuscripts
  • 6. All believe that the King James Authorized Bible is the only link, in English, as to what God actually and originally said.

    Thursday, September 29, 2022

    Is “King James Only” pejorative?

    On Facebook’s Textus Receptus Academy, two “contestants” discussed and debated whether “King James Only” is pejorative terminology. I thought I would investigate that a bit further here on my blog. I don’t think it is so simple that it “always is” or “always isn’t” pejorative. Context.

    First, pejorative means having a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force. Does “King James Only” have a disparaging, derogatory, or belittling effect or force? Yes. Sometimes it does; sometimes it doesn’t. It is not like “racist.” I have a hard time thinking that is not usually or always used pejoratively. “King James” in itself is not inherently derogatory, neither is “Only.” Sometimes you wind up in the subjective weeds of how was it meant, or how was it taken.

    Here is a quote from Trevin Wax, in “The King James Only Controversy,” at The Gospel Coalition: “The King James Only controversy is essentially a conspiracy theory that claims that all modern translations of Scripture are based on tainted manuscripts and that their translators are driven by a liberal Protestant or Roman Catholic (or even one-world government) agenda...Like with anyone who expounds a conspiracy theory, it is usually fruitless to try to reason with the KJV Only crowd.” Does he mean it pejoratively? Sounds like it. Will folks take it pejoratively? Yes, I think so.

    And Luke Wayne in “What is King James Onlyism,” at Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) writes: “‘King James Onlyism’ refers to any ideology that demands that all Christians (or at least all English-speaking Christians) must use the King James Version of the Bible exclusively.” As for belittling, Wayne labels this post in the “Minor Groups & Issues” category. The critical text guys certainly spend a lot of time on a “minor group”!

    An interesting part of the history of “King James Only” terminology are the varying takes on how it originated, and with whom. Some supporters of the King James Bible assert that opponents originated the term. Lloyd L. Streeter says that the term arose “as a term of derision.”  David Cloud writes, “The term ‘King James Only’ was invented by those who oppose the defense of the King James Bible and its underlying Hebrew and Greek texts. It was intended to be a term of approbation, and it is usually defined in terms of extremism.”  Phil Stringer states, “Actually, I don’t like the term ‘King James Only.’ It is a name given to us by our critics.”

    The late Robert L. Sumner, editor of The Biblical Evangelist, makes a claim on originating the term (which would have been circa 1979). “Some time ago a couple of the brethren set out to determine who invented the term ‘King James Only’ and eventually came to the conclusion that this editor did. I told them then that they could claim the credit for themselves or give it to someone else, and that is the last I heard. But now that push has come to shove, I’d better acknowledge it. And I do so now only to say that no one knows better than I what I meant by the term.”

    On the other hand, King James supporter Herb Evans claims he invented it: “As far as I know, I was the first one ever to use the term King James Only in a positive way, so I can repudiate those who have picked up on it and used it in a negative way, as well as those, like David Cloud, who use the term in a limited and safeguarded capacity to play it safe.” It appears Evans insists that he used it in a positive way before others used it in a negative way. However, I do not know what time frame he insists this happened.

    The first uses of the term could shed some light on the evolution of the term into what it stands for today. I found some newspapers have fundamentalist churches advertising in words such as, “we preach the King James Bible only” in the 1960s and 70s. As early as 1958, the Chester Baptist Temple of Chester, Pennsylvania and founder & pastor Merle F. Winters publicized the King James Version of the Holy Bible as “our only textbook.” Those kinds of ads are pretty close to originating the term “King James Only.”

    In common use, “King James Only” might be either descriptive or derogatory terminology. It is not inherently derogatory, but certainly can be so. Some supporters of the King James Bible translation proudly wear “King James Only” as a badge of honor, while others decry its attachment to their bibliology. Some detractors of the King James Bible translation throw it around as the final arbiter proving the “lunacy” of embracing such a position, while others seem to use it to label what they think are the sincere beliefs of those they describe. “King James Only” can be either a descriptive or a derogatory term, and I do not think we will every solve that problem.

    Tuesday, August 16, 2022

    More work on Bible versions classification

    Or taxonomy[i]…both mine and others.

    There is a need to categorize or classify Bible views in a way that is accurate, clear, concise, consistent, complete, and equitable. There are so many barnacles stuck to the hull of this categorical ship, we need a fresh start. In the past, we have accepted and used models that are biased, inaccurate, and polemic. On my blog, I have explored some new possibilities, and proposed a model based on analyzing one’s approach to either translation or text. In my opinion, I have some experience in “Baptist Group” taxonomy that I believe helps point in the direction of a good “Bible Views” model. I have no illusions that I have the name recognition, promotional skills, reach, or support to press my ideas into service. Perhaps there are others who are working on this who can benefit from my thoughts and suggestions.

    Timothy Berg has done some good work on Bible versions classification. He has proposed and is working toward a useful model. The concept is to chart the broad views on the reliability of the New Testament text, then subdivide within those broad views. I think that it has a good deal of overlap with my work. In the Textus Receptus Academy group/forum on Facebook, Tim suggested that broadly we should see three views:

    1. TEXTUAL ABSOLUTISM - we have a final authority in one form/edition/translation of the text which is above revision. (Usually this also accompanies hesitation or distrust of other forms/editions/translations, but perhaps not always).
    2. TEXTUAL CONFIDENCE (referring to general confidence) - we don’t have the exact words of the original in any text/edition/translation, but any good text/edition/translation is still the word of God, which is still a preserved authority.
    3. TEXTUAL SKEPTICISM - textual corruption is so severe that we have no real Bible and no authority.

    He further wrote, “I think this gets at the core *categorical* distinctions between views. And it helps respect each view’s core claim with language they would adopt...So these broad views help distinguish the basic categorical differences with a single word that gets at the core claim of each in a fair manner.”[ii] However, I see a few slight problems with Tim’s categories. First, “absolutism” and “skepticism” have some negative connotations that will likely make them distasteful to those categorized under these labels. I’m not sure whether the “skeptics” care, but the “absolutists” do. This is demonstrably true from the pushback against the term “textual absolutism” by KJV and TR defenders. Second, unveiling these on the “Textual Confidence Collective” had its own negative ramifications, since many see the series as a polemic against “Textual Absolutism.” Finally, on the “Textual Confidence Collective” the discussion made it clear that “Textual Confidence” is the right position.[iii] This again has negative effects on proposing this as an equitable model.

    I further notice the Absolutism-Confidence-Skepticism model:

    • has not thus far attempted to subcategorize the Textual Skepticism and Textual Confidence views, suggesting this classification focuses only on Textual Absolutism rather than equally on all three views. This is not to say it will never, but this is nevertheless is a negative aspect for the time being as people consider the classifications.
    • puts Textual Absolutism side by side and sets Textual Confidence apart as the right view. Placed on an equitable spectrum, however, the Textual Confidence view falls somewhere in between Textual Absolutism and Textual Skepticism. This is not to say it will not be corrected in the future, but this is nevertheless is a negative aspect for the time being as people consider these classifications.
    • emphasizes the similarities of Textual Absolutism and Textual Skepticism, but seems to disregard any similarities between Textual Absolutism and Textual Confidence, or between Textual Confidence and Textual Skepticism. Again, this is not to say it will not be corrected in the future. A Venn Diagam might accurately illustrate something like this:

    The overlap might not be exactly symmetrical;
    I used the Basic Venn format in MS Word and took what was the default image.

    We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.[iv] We should take the good, tweak the inadequate, look for wider input, and produce something that could be widely agreed on and used by serious taxonomists. There will always be naysayers. That will never be solved.[v]

    I hope this model or some other might be used to sort out various views about the Bible, at various levels. On a spectrum it will demonstrate both concordance and discordance. If one believes that a particular translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God, that person shares in common an idea – in a broad way – with everyone else who believes a particular translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God. Then we narrow the parameters. Do both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God? If not, then they are separated into different categories at that point. If so, then we again narrow the parameters. Do they both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God in the same way? If not, then they are separated into different categories at that point. If so, we must again narrow the parameters. And so on, until the questions and classifications are satisfied. So, for example, I broadly agree with Peter Ruckman that the King James Bible is the word of God. But as we narrow the parameters, we will demonstrate that he and I do not hold the same view about the King James Bible. We could be classified under the same broad category, but must be sifted into different specific categories. Below is an example of how I visualized charting this work might begin. Further, I have tried to illustrate how my original model and the work of Tim Berg overlap.

    (Click image to enlarge)

    I believe that (1) Timothy Berg is making a sincere attempt to increase the light and decrease the heat, and (2) some people will never be satisfied with any model that is not their own, and especially one that comes from someone they view as on the other side of the aisle. Nevertheless, I hope Tim and the TCC might reassess this vision and continue to work on the model to rid it of any unfavorable elements. I think they might have the reach to promote a good classification for general use. I do not think they have achieved a good final form. Over the course of several months, I have given some thought to how Tim’s model might be tweaked. I have gone back and forth on words that might be acceptable or unacceptable to various “stakeholders.” This is my latest and tentative proposal for possible broad categories:

    1. Textual privilege – holding one text or translation as the right choice, to the exclusion of all others.
    2. Textual preference – holding one text or translation as a better choice, but not to the exclusion of all others.
    3. Textual precaution – holding no particular text or translation as a right choice, with ongoing uncertainties concerning the correct reading(s).

    This schema is not without its difficulties, but, in my opinion, moves things a little further in the right direction,[vi] and posits something else with which to work. I would love to see more diverse and impartial interest concentrated on this useful goal.

    Endnotes


    [i] A taxonomy is a system of classification organizing facts or things into groups or types. The purpose of a taxonomy is to organize and index information or knowledge so that can more easily find and understand the data and relationship(s). Taxonomies may use hierarchies (a system of classification of persons or things ranked one above another) or spectrums (a system of classification positioning on a scale between two extreme or opposite points) to present the information. I see Bible views classification as a spectrum.
    [ii] The broad views help distinguish the basic categorical differences, while other differences may be distinguished within the basic categories. For example, within “Textual Absolutism,” Tim suggested five possible views on a spectrum. (This is from Facebook; I do not recall if he tweaked these on the TCC video.) 1. Ruckmanism (the views promoted by Peter Ruckman); 2. KJV Only (the views promoted by Gail Riplinger); 3. King James Bible Defenders (e.g., the views of Laurence Vance); 4. King James/ Textus Receptus Defenders (equal or near equal focus on defending both the KJB and the TR); and 5. Textus Receptus Defenders (defense of the traditional original language texts). I think these categories need some work. For example, find a designation for category one other than “Ruckmanism,” while continuing to use Peter Ruckman as an example of this view. Do those who hold Ruckman’s view call themselves “Ruckmanites”? I do not know the answer to that. A group’s core claim, as well as how they identify themselves, should have a strong impact on how a group is classified. I can perceive any number of churches, preachers, and/or theologians who might readily identify themselves as “King James Only” while rejecting any identification with Gail Riplinger. Additionally, I think “Traditional Text Defenders” is a more accurate description than “TR (Textus Receptus) Defenders.” Textus Receptus most commonly only refers to the Greek text. Those who are familiar with the original languages hold a position of both a certain Greek Text and a certain Hebrew text as the acceptable form of the text. Classification is not perfect. There will always be some views on the edges of one classification that might fit just as easily in another classification. However, it should be careful and consistent in its presentation, and fair (in the sense of representing a view accurately) to all concerned.
    [iii] For example, in a talk at Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, Mark Ward quipped, “As we all know that the first two views in a list of three are never right, it is always the third that is right. And, so it is in this case, my brothers. The orthodox view is ‘Textual Confidence.’” In terms of classification, the model’s aim should be accuracy, not proving the right position. That is polemic, which has its place elsewhere. Classification at its basic level should not be polemic.
    [iv] On the other hand, I am all for throwing out James White’s classifications – the baby, the bathwater, and the tub they are both in!
    [v] Obviously, in this article I may appear to be one of the naysayers. That is not my point. I am offering constructive criticism to hopefully move something good toward something better. I do not even offer my Textual privilege, Textual preference, and Textual precaution categories as something that must be used because I suggest it. Rather they are something that should bump up against Textual absolutism, Textual confidence, and Textual skepticism and, like the mash up of peanut butter and chocolate, perhaps create something better together than what one is alone.
    [vi] Of the three categories, I am currently most dissatisfied with my description of the third category.

    Friday, April 08, 2022

    Greek texts, wise and otherwise

    Traditional Text Positions Explained,” a post by Robert Truelove at Text and Canon (on Facebook) identifies five of what he calls “Traditional Text Positions.” Though some are new in some ways, I believe he considers them all “traditional” in the sense that they are Byzantine text positions. Here are the five:

    1. “Majority Text.” This is a position based on the readings of the majority of texts, which he identified with Farstad and Hodges.

    2. “Byzantine Priority.” This he distinguished because the readings that cannot be decided by the majority are still decided within the Byzantine family (whereas position 1 above does not always do so). He identifies this position with Maurice Robinson.

    3. “F35.” All the correct readings of the inspired text come from within Family 35. This is the position of Wilbur Pickering. It also seems this position is founded on providential preservation, whereas the first two emphasize evidence and reason rather than preservation.

    4. “Textus Receptus Priority.” This position accepts the Textus Receptus as the text we should use, the one that should be the standard, while recognizing there might be some problems and errors (but that they should be dealt with in teaching, rather than an ever-changing text). Truelove said this was his position.

    5. “Textus Receptus Only.” This position accepts that the Greek text is providentially preserved in the Textus Receptus.

    [Note: these are my attempts to remember and fairly represent what he said.]

    On the Critical Text side, Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California identifies on their web site three different Critical Text positions.

    1. “Thorough-going eclectic.” These folks reject any consideration of external evidence such as manuscript families, date of manuscript and so on. They concentrate all of their energies on internal consideration for a literary analysis of the text.

    2. “Westcott-Hort.” Westcott and Hort suggested that the Alexandrian family of manuscripts are the oldest and thus preferred. They also concluded that external evidence, that is, manuscript families, outweighs internal evidence and that the Alexandrian variant, all other factors being equal, is the one preferred.

    3. “Balanced eclectic.” This “balanced” position holds that each text type is to be evaluated independently without premeditated bias. It also posits that internal and external evidences are to be considered equally. It basically suggests that each textual variant is to be investigated thoroughly and considered on its own merits.

    [Note: All the above about critical texts is a quote from the Grace website. I believe the terminology “reasoned eclectic” is relatively the same position as their “balanced eclectic.” 

    There is another position (not listed above) that James E. Snapp Jr describes as “equitable eclecticism.”

    Are the positions as stated above valid? Helpful? Confusing? Complete or incomplete?

    Saturday, April 28, 2018

    Categorizing “KJV-Only” beliefs

    James White in The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations and Bob Griffin in Definitions of KJV Only on the Baptist Board have classified Christians’ who favour the King-James-Bible-Only. There may be categorizations of King James Only by others, but I have not seen them. These two are developed by men who do not hold any “King James Only” position, but they attempt to give a some representation of different views. I have followed their lead, but have added a 6th category. Categorization such as this can be generally helpful but always leaves gaps for some to fall “between” the cracks of the categories.

    KJVO.1 The King James Bible is the best.
    This group believes the King James Version is the best English translation available. Some of this group may have respect for other translations and some may not.

    KJVO.2 The Hebrew & Greek underlying the King James Bible is best (White includes “Majority Text” advocates in this group).
    This group believes that the underlying Hebrew and Greek texts used by the King James translators are superior to other original language texts.

    KJVO.3 The Received Text alone is best.
    This group believes that the Textus Receptus (behind the King James) identically represents the original inspired autographs, as opposed to other Greek texts.

    KJVO.4 The King James Bible is God’s inspired word perfectly preserved for the English-speaking people.
    This group believes the King James Bible represents the perfectly preserved Word of God, accurately translated into the English language. Some may explain this as “derivative inspiration.”

    KJVO.5 The King James Bible is new revelation.
    This group believes that the King James Bible was “re-inspired” in 1611, when it was translated into the English language by the King James translators.

    KJVO.6 The Scriptures were inspired by God, the original words preserved by God, and the preserved words translated into other languages. In the English language, the King James Bible best represents this work of God.

    All the above categories share in common the consistent use of and preference for the King James Bible. Those in KJV groups 1-3 could, at least theoretically, allow for the possibility of a new translation that could supersede the King James Bible. KJV groups 4-5 do not allow for the possibility of a new translation, and usually not even any slight revision/alteration to the King James Bible. The KJV group 6 would allow for limited alteration (and recognize there have been alterations – e.g., spelling, punctuation – in the past).

    Bob Griffin’s list
    • KJVO #1 “I PREFER THE KJV”
    • KJVO #2 “I BELIEVE THE UNDERLYING GREEK/HEBREW TEXT OF THE KJV IS BEST”
    • KJVO #3 “I BELIEVE IN THE RECEIVED TEXT ONLY”
    • KJVO #4 “I BELIEVE THE KING JAMES IS INSPIRED”
    • KJVO #5 “I BELIEVE THE KJV IS NEW REVELATION”
    James White’s list
    • Group #1 “I Like the KJV Best”
    • Group #2 “The Textual Argument”
    • Group #3 “Received Text Only”
    • Group #4 “The Inspired KJV Group”
    • Group #5 “The KJV as New Revelation”

    Monday, April 02, 2007

    Unaffiliated Landmark Baptist churches survey

    I completed a survey of unaffiliated Landmark Baptist churches in 2001. After weeding out duplicates and/or churches for which I discovered some denominational affiliation, my total was 1305 churches. I compiled no membership statistics for these churches, but, based on the average size of churches from known landmark Baptist statistics (ABA, BMAA, etc.) the membership of these churches should be approximately 200,000 (155 is the number I used for the average). I also identified 35 associations that hold landmark ecclesiology - 3 general associations, 1 state association, and 31 unaffiliated local associations (the 3 general and 1 state also have local associations affiliated with them). In those 35 associations I identified 3657 churches with 569,338 members. Most of those statistics were from the year 2000, but, for 8 or 10 of the local associations, the latest stats I could find were early 1990’s. If these numbers are combined with the independent churches, there are almost 5000 churches that hold Landmark ecclesiology, representing about 770,000 members. I am of the opinion that there are probably twice as many unaffiliated independent landmark Baptists as I have been able to identify.

    Add to these facts, that groups of Baptists often identified as primitivistic (Central Baptists, Duck River/Kindred Baptists, Old Regular Baptists, Primitive Baptists, Regular Baptists, and United Baptists) usually hold an ecclesiology in practice like Landmarkism (they do not accept baptisms from other orders, do not use ministers from other orders, and practice closed communion, hold successionism etc.), churches in the United States holding this form of ecclesiology probably number 8000 to 10,000 with over 1,000,000 members. These primitivistic churches are not normally identified as Landmark Baptists because the term is usually limited to missionary Baptists. This also does not consider that a number of churches in the Baptist Bible Fellowship, Southwide Baptist Fellowship, World Baptist Fellowship, and even the Southern Baptist Convention would identify with this doctrine and practice. This shows that, while perhaps a small grouping compared to the total number of Baptists in the United States, Landmark-type Baptist ecclesiology does have an important place in American Baptist life.

    In my attempt to make sense of the 1305 unaffiliated independent landmark Baptist churches on my list, I developed seven categories to note some of the differences between the churches - Covenant Landmark, Direct Mission, Independent Fundamental, Old Time Missionary Baptist, Sovereign Grace, Unregistered Baptists, and Unknown. These categories are somewhat arbitrary (I place the churches in the categories rather the churches placing themselves) and fluid (many of the churches could legitimately be placed in two or more categories). The decision to place a church in a category was based on what I thought seemed to be her primary emphasis that made her stand out and/or seemed to guide her in her choice of fellowship with other churches. I am listing below a link to represent these categories and the total number of churches placed in each category. Remember that each link is representative of a single church and may not represent other churches in the same category. It is possible that some of the churches in a category would fellowship with churches that I have placed in another category. Another possibility is that some churches placed in a category might not fellowship with other churches in the same category.

    Covenant Landmark - 28 churches. These churches might be described as believing that only Christians in landmark Baptist churches are part of the New Covenant. They might not choose to describe themselves this way. Be sure to check out the website.
    Direct Mission - 61 churches. Many of these churches have an historical connection to the gospel mission movement of missionary to China T. P. Crawford. I placed these in a separate category because I felt that their landmark principles of mission work was the chief reason they choose not to participate in associations or fellowships.
    Independent Fundamental - 386 churches. These churches are very much heirs of the traits developed from the fundamentalist/modernist controversies of the early 1900’s. They are the same as others commonly thought of independent fundamental Baptists, but with a stronger local church emphasis on baptism, Lord’s supper, and pulpit affiliation, etc.
    Old Time Missionary Baptist - 176 churches. These churches place a strong emphasis on a definite salvation experience, and usually have a mourner’s bench in or near the front of the church. They tend to usually not have as strong objections to associations and fellowships as some unaffiliated Baptists, and are often found closely fellowshipping with other Old Time Missionary Baptists that are in associations.
    Sovereign Grace - 419 churches. These churches place a strong emphasis on the doctrines of grace, usually known as TULIP or five-point Calvinism. I think most of these churches would not fellowship with other churches that do not hold the doctrines of grace (and most Landmark churches not holding TULIP would not fellowship with them).
    Unregistered Baptist - 35 churches. These churches could probably all be placed in the independent fundamentalist category. But I found a strain of Landmarkers that are asserting that churches should not incorporate or otherwise cooperate with certain requirements of the government (e.g. Indianapolis Baptist Temple). Some of these believe that the registration and cooperation with governmental tax laws, etc. causes a church to “lose its candlestick” (no longer be recognized as a true church).
    Unknown - 200 churches. These are churches which I believe meet the basic requirements to be called “Landmark,” and yet I found no outstanding features (or did not have enough information) to classify them. In this group are probably some who themselves observe Landmark practices such as closed baptism, closed communion and non-pulpit affiliation, and yet do not strictly draw the line of fellowship on these issues.

    These unaffiliated independent Landmark Baptist churches are scattered throughout the United States, with especially strong areas being in Kentucky, Tennessee, and Texas. The Sovereign Grace Landmarkers are very strong in Kentucky, but also surprisingly strong in states like West Virginia and Ohio. The Covenant Landmarkers have their strongest base on the west coast. They draw their lines of fellowship on the covenant issue, but not on whether a church is independent. So they are often found fellowshipping with Covenant Landmarkers in the ABA, etc. The Independent Fundamental Landmarkers have great strength in Texas, probably partly because of the influence of J. Frank Norris and Louis Entzminger. Old Time Missionary Baptists have their greatest strength in Tennessee and Kentucky, with a good showing in Missouri as well.