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Showing posts with label Taxonomy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Taxonomy. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 05, 2025

Six Types of King James Only

I find attempts to categorize King James Bible Only positions interesting. I have posted on this subject in the past. Recently my attention was directed to “Six Types of King James Only - Are They All Extremists?” at A Nickels Worth Bible Reviews, by Tim Nickels.[i] Nickels labels 6 different King James Only positions. I don’t think he did a great job. However, (1) I find it to be more honest than the 5-part categorization of James R. White; and (2) I find it interesting that someone of his ilk chose not to regurgitate White’s categories (many or most of them do). He has apparently put some of his own thought into it.[ii]

I took the liberty of summarizing (below) the six categories created by Nickels.

Six Types of King James Only, by Tim Nickels.

  • 1. King James preferential. They prefer the King James because of its history, beauty, and language. They believe it is a superior English translation and like it above all others.
  • 2. King James superior. They believe that the King James translation philosophy and textual source (Masoretic and TR) are superior; they do not claim it is the only inspired English translation.
  • 3. King James exclusive. They believe that the King James is the only translation that should be used for an English-speaking audience; they believe that the modern translations are corrupt and that they are based off corrupted sources.
  • 4. King James inspiration. They believe that the King James is not just a faithful translation but the translation process itself was inspired (so we have double inspiration – the inspiration of the original languages and the inspiration of the English translation).
  • 5. King James inerrancy. They believe that the King James is the only inerrant and perfect word of God. The King James is even better than the original languages because the KJV translators were inspired (one can therefore use the King James to correct the Greek and Hebrew).
  • 6. King James extremist. They believe that the King James is the only legitimate Bible for all languages; that is, every language in the world needs to translate their Bibles from the King James Bible. Everything else is corrupt. Any deviation away from the King James is Satanic and corrupt. Some even claim someone cannot be saved apart from the King James Bible.


[i] Tim Nickels is an ordained Assemblies of God minister, and the pastor of Lakeside Worship Center in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. 
[ii] I nevertheless see this as a fail. I know folks who hold positions like numbers one and two. The question is whether these should ever be called King James Only. For example, Confessional Bibliologists who hold the Bomberg/Ben Chayyim Hebrew and Textus Receptus Greek as authoritative, specifically deny that their position is King James Only, even though most of them tend to use only the King James Bible. To them it is not primarily about the translation, but especially about the original language texts.

Friday, February 16, 2024

KJV1611-Only

In my journey within and studies of “King James Onlyism” I do not recall that I ever noticed that there is subgroup who advocates using only the 1611 edition of the King James Bible. Perhaps I had my head in the sand, or just was not paying close attention. Or, perhaps this group is relatively new.

This difference requires some explanation, since many, if not most, KJV defenders often make references to using the KJV 1611. This group, however, is KJVO/1611-Only. By that I mean that they advocate the actual use of the King James Bible as printed in 1611. I am not familiar enough to know that they advocate only the black-letter type (I don’t think so), but they advocate no changes in words, spelling, capitalization, punctuation, etc. For example, they include this disclaimer on the home page of their website, King James Bible 1611.

“If you find typographical errors on this website in the quotes from the 1611 AKJB, it is because this platform mistakenly auto-corrects, not recognizing Elizabethan spellings.”

The primary leaders of this group appear to be Reginald Jacob Block and John Doerr, of whom I know almost nothing. Brief bios appear on their site HERE. On the website, the advertisement for the book Authorized, the Real 1611 King James Bible (Reginald Jacob Block, John Doerr, 2019) states:

“Most Christians are unaware that the Bible called the KJV is not faithful to the Bible that King James authorized. In fact, the KJV is a product of the 1700s, and at best a revision of the real 1611 King James Bible. This book explains the differences.”

Block has a February 11, 2020 video – Authorized, the Real 1611 King James Bible – in which he discusses two of his books (Authorized, the Real 1611 King James Bible and Bible Corruption, Everything Matters). This provides some further insight into this viewpoint. At one point he mentions “the Bible that came off the press in 1611,” which is possibly the best expression clarifying what they are advocating. He also distinguishes his Bible as the “1611 AKJV” versus the “KJV” as the 1769 Blayney revision.

With advocating the 1611 printing of the King James Bible comes the inclusion of the Apocrypha. This subgroup believes that Bibles should contain the Apocrypha, but they distinguish it from the inspired canon.

“The 66 books (Old and New Testaments) of the 1611 Authorized King James Bible are perfect and correct…In their wisdom, the 47 translators placed the Apocrypha between the Old and New Testaments that we might understand the false doctrines of Mystery Babylon from which the church was delivered during the Reformation. It is not part of the canon of scripture and was never intended as such.”

For those unfamiliar with 1611 King James Bible orthography, see a scan of the 1611 Bible HERE.

Reg Block has at least four books on the Bible versions issue.

  • Authorized, the Real 1611 King James Bible, Reginald Jacob Block, John Doerr, Seattle, WA: The Book Patch, 2019
  • Bible Corruption, Everything Matters: Comparing NABRE, KJV, NKJV & NIV to the 1611 AKJB, Reginald Jacob Block, Seattle, WA: The Book Patch, 2019
  • Is Your Bible The Word of God? Examine the Witnesses, Reginald Jacob Block, Seattle, WA: The Book Patch, 2022
  • Modern Bible Translation Problems, Volumes I-VI (Series), Reginald Jacob Block, Seattle, WA: The Book Patch, 2016, 2023

I am not endorsing this position, but post merely as a matter of information. It is good to be aware of differing positions of advocacy of the King James Bible. Those who say “AV 1611” and such like may only mean they are KJV-Only (support and use a descendant edition of the Bible first printed in 1611), or they may mean they only use “the Bible that came off the press in 1611.”

Wednesday, October 26, 2022

Bible Classification issues and problems

I look at Bible Version Beliefs Classification as something that tries to sort out various views about the Bible, at various levels (and keeps narrowing so as to demonstrate both concordance and discordance). If I believe (and I do) that my translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God, then I share in common an idea – in a very broad way – with everyone else who believes their translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God.

Then we consider the next level. Do we both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God? If not, then we are separated at that point. If so, then we consider the next level. Do we both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitely the word of God in the same way? If not, then we are separated at that point. If so, we ask another question. And so on. So, for example, I agree with Peter Ruckman that the King James Bible is the word of God, but as we narrow the parameters, we demonstrate we do not hold the same view about the King James Bible.

We do this in all sorts of other areas or beliefs. I am a Baptist. Here in the United States, we have some Baptists who are rank heretics. Unfortunately, I am broadly in the same category with them. If we change and look at Bible views, I can be (generally, with perhaps minor differences) in the same category with a Presbyterian like Christian McShaffrey and very far away from the rank heretical Baptists who deny the word of God! However, if we change and are classifying churches according to denominations, Brother McShaffrey and I will end up in different categories. I do not think the principle is overly complex once we understand what we are doing in trying to classify or categorize various views about Bible versions.

I know what I believe. I don’t need a classification to understand that. On the other hand, where I am classed might help someone else get a general idea of what I believe. If they want to know exactly what I believe, they will need to ask.

Sometimes there is an issue of someone is using classification as a tool of debate rather than as a tool of instruction. This can bring about a different take on things (e.g., an association fallacy).

I hope this might demonstrate a bit of how I approach the categorization of Bible views.

Friday, October 21, 2022

KJVO classification at AV1611.com

At the AV1611.com forum in a thread titled “What is King James Bible Only?” the BibleProtector (who is probably Matthew Verschuur) set forth the following spectrum “to broadly classify views of the King James Bible” which he emphasized as “a rough guideline only.” In creating this classification he considers the views on the following eleven elements:

  • History
  • Inspiration
  • Preservation
  • The KJB text
  • The text in English
  • The KJB translation
  • The KJB language/style
  • The perfection of the KJB
  • Other versions
  • Other languages
  • The future of the KJB

I notice this here as part of my ongoing interest in classifying Bible version beliefs, and how others have made such classifications. The BibleProtector’s assessment leads him to the following four categories or classes of King James Only beliefs. Please follow the link “What is King James Bible Only?” to see the details.

  • Class One: King James Bible Favoured/Preferred
  • Class Two: King James Bible Defended (TR Only)
  • Class Three: King James Bible Purist (English Preservationist)
  • Class Four: King James Bible Extremist

In the thread, a guest using the moniker Truth4Today (post # 7) made the following observations:

I can say two main things. 1.) There does exist variation within the King James Only Camp; 2.) There does exist certain parameters that define one as King James Only.

The Variations

  • A. TR is generally accurate, but could use some revision
  • B. TR is absolutely perfect, and needs no revision
  • C. The KJB is generally accurate, but could use some minor revising
  • D. The KJB is absolutely perfect, and needs no revision

The parameters that define KJVO

  • 1. All agree that God’s Authoritative Word exists today.
  • 2. All emphasize the Bible doctrine of preservation
  • 3. All reject the Westscott/Hort textual theory
  • 4. All reject the Westscott/Hort Greek Text
  • 5. All believe that the Modern English Versions are founded on bad and corrupt manuscripts
  • 6. All believe that the King James Authorized Bible is the only link, in English, as to what God actually and originally said.

    Tuesday, August 16, 2022

    More work on Bible versions classification

    Or taxonomy[i]…both mine and others.

    There is a need to categorize or classify Bible views in a way that is accurate, clear, concise, consistent, complete, and equitable. There are so many barnacles stuck to the hull of this categorical ship, we need a fresh start. In the past, we have accepted and used models that are biased, inaccurate, and polemic. On my blog, I have explored some new possibilities, and proposed a model based on analyzing one’s approach to either translation or text. In my opinion, I have some experience in “Baptist Group” taxonomy that I believe helps point in the direction of a good “Bible Views” model. I have no illusions that I have the name recognition, promotional skills, reach, or support to press my ideas into service. Perhaps there are others who are working on this who can benefit from my thoughts and suggestions.

    Timothy Berg has done some good work on Bible versions classification. He has proposed and is working toward a useful model. The concept is to chart the broad views on the reliability of the New Testament text, then subdivide within those broad views. I think that it has a good deal of overlap with my work. In the Textus Receptus Academy group/forum on Facebook, Tim suggested that broadly we should see three views:

    1. TEXTUAL ABSOLUTISM - we have a final authority in one form/edition/translation of the text which is above revision. (Usually this also accompanies hesitation or distrust of other forms/editions/translations, but perhaps not always).
    2. TEXTUAL CONFIDENCE (referring to general confidence) - we don’t have the exact words of the original in any text/edition/translation, but any good text/edition/translation is still the word of God, which is still a preserved authority.
    3. TEXTUAL SKEPTICISM - textual corruption is so severe that we have no real Bible and no authority.

    He further wrote, “I think this gets at the core *categorical* distinctions between views. And it helps respect each view’s core claim with language they would adopt...So these broad views help distinguish the basic categorical differences with a single word that gets at the core claim of each in a fair manner.”[ii] However, I see a few slight problems with Tim’s categories. First, “absolutism” and “skepticism” have some negative connotations that will likely make them distasteful to those categorized under these labels. I’m not sure whether the “skeptics” care, but the “absolutists” do. This is demonstrably true from the pushback against the term “textual absolutism” by KJV and TR defenders. Second, unveiling these on the “Textual Confidence Collective” had its own negative ramifications, since many see the series as a polemic against “Textual Absolutism.” Finally, on the “Textual Confidence Collective” the discussion made it clear that “Textual Confidence” is the right position.[iii] This again has negative effects on proposing this as an equitable model.

    I further notice the Absolutism-Confidence-Skepticism model:

    • has not thus far attempted to subcategorize the Textual Skepticism and Textual Confidence views, suggesting this classification focuses only on Textual Absolutism rather than equally on all three views. This is not to say it will never, but this is nevertheless is a negative aspect for the time being as people consider the classifications.
    • puts Textual Absolutism side by side and sets Textual Confidence apart as the right view. Placed on an equitable spectrum, however, the Textual Confidence view falls somewhere in between Textual Absolutism and Textual Skepticism. This is not to say it will not be corrected in the future, but this is nevertheless is a negative aspect for the time being as people consider these classifications.
    • emphasizes the similarities of Textual Absolutism and Textual Skepticism, but seems to disregard any similarities between Textual Absolutism and Textual Confidence, or between Textual Confidence and Textual Skepticism. Again, this is not to say it will not be corrected in the future. A Venn Diagam might accurately illustrate something like this:

    The overlap might not be exactly symmetrical;
    I used the Basic Venn format in MS Word and took what was the default image.

    We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater.[iv] We should take the good, tweak the inadequate, look for wider input, and produce something that could be widely agreed on and used by serious taxonomists. There will always be naysayers. That will never be solved.[v]

    I hope this model or some other might be used to sort out various views about the Bible, at various levels. On a spectrum it will demonstrate both concordance and discordance. If one believes that a particular translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God, that person shares in common an idea – in a broad way – with everyone else who believes a particular translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God. Then we narrow the parameters. Do both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God? If not, then they are separated into different categories at that point. If so, then we again narrow the parameters. Do they both believe that the same translation or text of the Bible is definitively the word of God in the same way? If not, then they are separated into different categories at that point. If so, we must again narrow the parameters. And so on, until the questions and classifications are satisfied. So, for example, I broadly agree with Peter Ruckman that the King James Bible is the word of God. But as we narrow the parameters, we will demonstrate that he and I do not hold the same view about the King James Bible. We could be classified under the same broad category, but must be sifted into different specific categories. Below is an example of how I visualized charting this work might begin. Further, I have tried to illustrate how my original model and the work of Tim Berg overlap.

    (Click image to enlarge)

    I believe that (1) Timothy Berg is making a sincere attempt to increase the light and decrease the heat, and (2) some people will never be satisfied with any model that is not their own, and especially one that comes from someone they view as on the other side of the aisle. Nevertheless, I hope Tim and the TCC might reassess this vision and continue to work on the model to rid it of any unfavorable elements. I think they might have the reach to promote a good classification for general use. I do not think they have achieved a good final form. Over the course of several months, I have given some thought to how Tim’s model might be tweaked. I have gone back and forth on words that might be acceptable or unacceptable to various “stakeholders.” This is my latest and tentative proposal for possible broad categories:

    1. Textual privilege – holding one text or translation as the right choice, to the exclusion of all others.
    2. Textual preference – holding one text or translation as a better choice, but not to the exclusion of all others.
    3. Textual precaution – holding no particular text or translation as a right choice, with ongoing uncertainties concerning the correct reading(s).

    This schema is not without its difficulties, but, in my opinion, moves things a little further in the right direction,[vi] and posits something else with which to work. I would love to see more diverse and impartial interest concentrated on this useful goal.

    Endnotes


    [i] A taxonomy is a system of classification organizing facts or things into groups or types. The purpose of a taxonomy is to organize and index information or knowledge so that can more easily find and understand the data and relationship(s). Taxonomies may use hierarchies (a system of classification of persons or things ranked one above another) or spectrums (a system of classification positioning on a scale between two extreme or opposite points) to present the information. I see Bible views classification as a spectrum.
    [ii] The broad views help distinguish the basic categorical differences, while other differences may be distinguished within the basic categories. For example, within “Textual Absolutism,” Tim suggested five possible views on a spectrum. (This is from Facebook; I do not recall if he tweaked these on the TCC video.) 1. Ruckmanism (the views promoted by Peter Ruckman); 2. KJV Only (the views promoted by Gail Riplinger); 3. King James Bible Defenders (e.g., the views of Laurence Vance); 4. King James/ Textus Receptus Defenders (equal or near equal focus on defending both the KJB and the TR); and 5. Textus Receptus Defenders (defense of the traditional original language texts). I think these categories need some work. For example, find a designation for category one other than “Ruckmanism,” while continuing to use Peter Ruckman as an example of this view. Do those who hold Ruckman’s view call themselves “Ruckmanites”? I do not know the answer to that. A group’s core claim, as well as how they identify themselves, should have a strong impact on how a group is classified. I can perceive any number of churches, preachers, and/or theologians who might readily identify themselves as “King James Only” while rejecting any identification with Gail Riplinger. Additionally, I think “Traditional Text Defenders” is a more accurate description than “TR (Textus Receptus) Defenders.” Textus Receptus most commonly only refers to the Greek text. Those who are familiar with the original languages hold a position of both a certain Greek Text and a certain Hebrew text as the acceptable form of the text. Classification is not perfect. There will always be some views on the edges of one classification that might fit just as easily in another classification. However, it should be careful and consistent in its presentation, and fair (in the sense of representing a view accurately) to all concerned.
    [iii] For example, in a talk at Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, Mark Ward quipped, “As we all know that the first two views in a list of three are never right, it is always the third that is right. And, so it is in this case, my brothers. The orthodox view is ‘Textual Confidence.’” In terms of classification, the model’s aim should be accuracy, not proving the right position. That is polemic, which has its place elsewhere. Classification at its basic level should not be polemic.
    [iv] On the other hand, I am all for throwing out James White’s classifications – the baby, the bathwater, and the tub they are both in!
    [v] Obviously, in this article I may appear to be one of the naysayers. That is not my point. I am offering constructive criticism to hopefully move something good toward something better. I do not even offer my Textual privilege, Textual preference, and Textual precaution categories as something that must be used because I suggest it. Rather they are something that should bump up against Textual absolutism, Textual confidence, and Textual skepticism and, like the mash up of peanut butter and chocolate, perhaps create something better together than what one is alone.
    [vi] Of the three categories, I am currently most dissatisfied with my description of the third category.

    Saturday, April 28, 2018

    Categorizing “KJV-Only” beliefs

    James White in The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations and Bob Griffin in Definitions of KJV Only on the Baptist Board have classified Christians’ who favour the King-James-Bible-Only. There may be categorizations of King James Only by others, but I have not seen them. These two are developed by men who do not hold any “King James Only” position, but they attempt to give a some representation of different views. I have followed their lead, but have added a 6th category. Categorization such as this can be generally helpful but always leaves gaps for some to fall “between” the cracks of the categories.

    KJVO.1 The King James Bible is the best.
    This group believes the King James Version is the best English translation available. Some of this group may have respect for other translations and some may not.

    KJVO.2 The Hebrew & Greek underlying the King James Bible is best (White includes “Majority Text” advocates in this group).
    This group believes that the underlying Hebrew and Greek texts used by the King James translators are superior to other original language texts.

    KJVO.3 The Received Text alone is best.
    This group believes that the Textus Receptus (behind the King James) identically represents the original inspired autographs, as opposed to other Greek texts.

    KJVO.4 The King James Bible is God’s inspired word perfectly preserved for the English-speaking people.
    This group believes the King James Bible represents the perfectly preserved Word of God, accurately translated into the English language. Some may explain this as “derivative inspiration.”

    KJVO.5 The King James Bible is new revelation.
    This group believes that the King James Bible was “re-inspired” in 1611, when it was translated into the English language by the King James translators.

    KJVO.6 The Scriptures were inspired by God, the original words preserved by God, and the preserved words translated into other languages. In the English language, the King James Bible best represents this work of God.

    All the above categories share in common the consistent use of and preference for the King James Bible. Those in KJV groups 1-3 could, at least theoretically, allow for the possibility of a new translation that could supersede the King James Bible. KJV groups 4-5 do not allow for the possibility of a new translation, and usually not even any slight revision/alteration to the King James Bible. The KJV group 6 would allow for limited alteration (and recognize there have been alterations – e.g., spelling, punctuation – in the past).

    Bob Griffin’s list
    • KJVO #1 “I PREFER THE KJV”
    • KJVO #2 “I BELIEVE THE UNDERLYING GREEK/HEBREW TEXT OF THE KJV IS BEST”
    • KJVO #3 “I BELIEVE IN THE RECEIVED TEXT ONLY”
    • KJVO #4 “I BELIEVE THE KING JAMES IS INSPIRED”
    • KJVO #5 “I BELIEVE THE KJV IS NEW REVELATION”
    James White’s list
    • Group #1 “I Like the KJV Best”
    • Group #2 “The Textual Argument”
    • Group #3 “Received Text Only”
    • Group #4 “The Inspired KJV Group”
    • Group #5 “The KJV as New Revelation”