tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20166943.post7590382719849835598..comments2024-03-28T14:43:35.296-05:00Comments on Ministry and Music - Seeking the Old Paths: Quick review of 'Stop Asking Jesus into Your Heart'R. L. Vaughnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20166943.post-45925376959155245742016-04-30T09:52:41.577-05:002016-04-30T09:52:41.577-05:00Thanks for the information. I enjoyed some of the ...Thanks for the information. I enjoyed some of the articles I found on your blog.R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20166943.post-44677465803914641442016-04-16T00:05:01.449-05:002016-04-16T00:05:01.449-05:00Norman Douty (1899-1993) was sort of a 4 pointer, ...Norman Douty (1899-1993) was sort of a 4 pointer, or maybe 4.5 in some sense. It has been about 5 years since I've read that book, so I can't quite summarize the distinctions he makes in as pithy a fashion as I could have a few years ago. He writes that his views are similar to W.G.T. Shedd's although he disagrees with some of Shedd's terminology. I think a lot of people don't realize that J.C. Ryle and some others were also "moderate Calvinists" who couldn't swallow the teaching of men like John Owen on limited atonement. <br /><br />You may find the reviews of Douty's book on Amazon to be helpful, perhaps Tony Byrne's in particular. http://www.amazon.com/Christ-Treatise-extent-Christs-Atonement/dp/1579101356<br /><br />I could have missed something, but the go to books from a moderate Calvinist standpoint appear to be Douty's (basically a covenantal Baptist and a historic premil) and the dispensationalist Robert Lightner's "The Death Christ Died." I haven't read Lightner's book but I've read other things he's written on the subject. Douty includes a lot of quotes from older writers, so that might be the best choice. But that could just be me.<br /><br />Bro. Murrell is still living. I think he is in his mid-late 80s by now. I haven't had any contact with him or most of his associates in about 10 years, but my guess is that the ending of the Grace Bible Camp probably signals the close of his public ministry. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20166943.post-78215342428681322192016-04-15T18:47:06.554-05:002016-04-15T18:47:06.554-05:00onepilgrimsprogress, thanks for stopping by and co...onepilgrimsprogress, thanks for stopping by and commenting. Is Brother Murrell still living? I'm not familiar with Norman F. Douty's <i>Did Christ Die Only for the Elect?</i> What do you think of it? What is his answer?R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20166943.post-24999432166850908522016-04-15T15:27:19.511-05:002016-04-15T15:27:19.511-05:00Conrad Murrell's "Salvation When" ca...Conrad Murrell's "Salvation When" can be found here and for free. http://www.sermonaudio.com/source_prodinfo.asp?PID=ga480911290<br /><br />However, both Grace Church and the Bible camp are now defunct. While I used to attend, I haven't really have contact with them in about 10 years. The camp ended about a year and a half ago and I have no idea whether or not orders will be fulfilled. But since the books are free, there is nothing to lose by trying. <br /><br />There are some messages there that are pertinent as well. In the end, he seemed to teach something akin to hypothetical universalism or universal propitiation, largely based on his understanding of 1 John 2:2. (At least one messages on that text is available.) I haven't read "Salvation When" in about 15 years, so I don't know whether or not there is any contradiction with what is found in that book. <br /><br />Are you familiar with Norman F. Douty's "Did Christ Die Only for the Elect?" which I think was originally published under the title of "The Death Christ Died"? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com